without intent that they have put out that piece of information, right? >> oh, i think it's great, because i have to say the journalists for days, we had questions for ten days, what will he wear, what will he be called, et cetera he'll be in his might cassic, there will not be that little cape like mosetta. and the shoes, red is identified with the pope. the fact that eye he's decided to wear brown, that he got in mexico. he found them to be very, very comfortable and so that's what he's going to wear. martha: and they will destroy what is known as the fisherman's ring as they do after each pope leaves office, in most cases bypassing away, in this case through retirement. joan, thank you so much. we look forward to talk with you throughout this. many thanks, joan. bill: interesting to hear how some talk about him in retirement too. perhaps we will never see him at some point again. he talked a lot about privacy today, and you wonder if that's what he's after right now.